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orion_ryder

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my orion 125 blows heaps ov smoke out ov da exhaust i thought it had sumthing to do wit the air and fuel mixture but den my dad said it might be the vavles because 1 ov them is bent if any 1 knows anything about these sh<t boxs plz help cheers
 
if a valve is bent, your looking at a rebuild.

cheaper to get a new engine off ebay. I cant see why a bent exhaust valve would blow smoke.

is your choke on?

what colour is the smoke?
 
my bike blows smoke, only on cold start. once it is warm it alright

bit colder down her in sydney, start up in the frost and it blow tones of white smoke.. but that not the bike it the wether
 
my bike blows smoke, only on cold start. once it is warm it alright

bit colder down her in sydney, start up in the frost and it blow tones of white smoke.. but that not the bike it the wether

That "white smoke" is just frost.
 
the smoke is white and it aint cause it is cold coz it happens all the time and yea i am looking at getting a new motor could any ov u fellas tell me how much it would cost to get 1 and where in brisbane i could get 1 or off ebay
 
Our Chinese 4 stroke blows blue smoke when cold and on full choke.It quickly burns off when choke is switched off and it warms a bit.It sits for a while sometimes without being started (2 weeks to a month) and the bleeding of oil through the valve stem seals is all that`s wrong with that,with the choke on it blocks off the inlet and can`t suck enough air so it sucks a small amount of oil throgh the valve guides that sits in the recesses and bleeds underneath the stem seals when the rubber is hard and cold and oil is sitting on them,once the rubber seals warm up and the little oil that has bled burns off and the choke is fully off.No problemo.I do not need to strip the motor down for such a trivial thing and it is high in compresion and flogs a CRF.What conditions does yours blow smoke? What colour is the smoke? Does it dissapear (after choke is off,when warmed up)? Is there a noticable power loss? How long has it been standing before you start it?
 
Mate, my ducar has done that the last 3 rides, thats why its in pieces on the floor..... Got a new lifan build up going on as a replacement.... Easy to find a replacement motor, and as noidea said, most likly cheaper to buy a new engine if ur mechanic skills aint up to scratch.
 
Mate, my ducar has done that the last 3 rides, thats why its in pieces on the floor..... Got a new lifan build up going on as a replacement.... Easy to find a replacement motor, and as noidea said, most likly cheaper to buy a new engine if ur mechanic skills aint up to scratch.
yea how my mechanicals arnt up to scratch how much u rekon a new motor would cost
a ruff estimate
 
Sounds like its time for an oil change ,If a valve was bent it would hardly run lads it would backfire and be hard to turn over if the valve was bent. you may find its got water in the oil from condensation in the engine or you have you ridin in the wet with the bike the air filters are prone to suck water and the crank case breater will also suck water give it a go may help with your problem Ichange my oil every 5 rides as they are a small engine and there is no oil filtering system on these engines ....
 
my bike blows smoke on startup but goes away straight away.. smells like oil.. go figure all bikes from china are ****.
 
Aren`t you happy with the bike.Why does everyone assume that anything that goes wrong with machinery is the worst case senario and a heart transplant is the only answer.This type of thinking leads to an empty wallet,but the dealers are laughing.
I explained before about the smoke,but nobody except 120fly agreed or even understood.I asked under what conditions it was blowing smoke? What colour? How long has it been sitting ? and any other relevant information pertaining to the concern.Then we can diagnose,then we can fault find,then we can advise.Please don`t go and spend money when you don`t have to.
#1. If it was a bent valve,you would have compression loss,most times serious.In a single cylinder,won`t run.A V8 Ford will chug along because it has 7 other pots.Most times causing serious engine damage,valve through piston,valve guide chews out,head chews out,valve wrecks head and piston by squashing against the combustion chamber (head),if it bends at the top or stem it does all kinds of nasty things to your cam and rockers and head and cam chain and the list goes on.
I did not follow that diagnosis.Alternatively if the valves are sticking there would be a compression loss also.Both of these would not allow the bike to run and are not in relation to the smoking habit this bike has.
If it is as I presumed,that the bike probably sits for a week or longer in a cold shed,blue smoke on start up when cold with full choke.Goes away quickly after choke is off and warm enough to run whilst not cold start assisted.It`s normal.
You come back from riding,turn the bike off and put it away.The oil sits on the valve stem seals which lie in a recess like a bathtub.The rubber stem seals cool down,become cold and lose their suppleness and get harder.The only other stopper is a cylindrical spring coil that applies pressure like an elastic band,these too can be effected when cold and the spring steel becomes cold and a bit more stiff.
Also the carbs on these bikes have a narrow choke or mixture area to create a higher intake velocity over the main jet creating a more efficient capillary bleed through the main jet.That`s why the jets are smaller to compensate,because the fuel draw is greater and the optimum air/fuel ratio is 14.5:1,so they downsize.If you put a cork in the inlet for example the choke is full on and blocks up the narrow passage.The air pressure will try to equalise,High pressure to low pressure.So the 1/2 a teaspoon of oil that bled under the stem seals gets drawn down through the guides and into the combustion chamber,it also is unfortunate that these nearly flat laying cylinders have their inlet pointing up.Fuel vapours that carry on up into the valve chamber from the float bowl and help the oil dilute and bleed through the stem seal as it sits does not help either.The inlet stem seal is the one that bleeds,helped by it`s engine design and configuaration,the drawing of air through attempting equalisation of pressure and the thinning of the oil that has bled through and the fact it doesn`t get ridden often enough.
Don`t panic if this happens.There are ways around it,as 120 fly said time for an oil change.Put some decent grade oil in it,it can look expensive,but thank god you only need about a litre,so you are getting top quality oil and it works out cheaper than filling an R1 or a 6 cylinder car.I pay $18 a litre for my oil.Buy a conditioner additive to mix and keep the rubber seals soft and they will seal better and the rest of the seals in the engine will thank you for it and they will all last longer.Run the bike out of the excess fuel in the bowl.Turn the tap off and let it cut out,but be carefull not to do it while the bike is overly hot,sometimes leave it for 10 and come back and do it before you store it.This will stop any build up of petrol vapour assisting the process.
Finally,if you really get annoyed or it bothers you,you can allways replace the seals.But you will be doing it frequently and it will become expensive.Although not as much as replacing the engine every couple of months.
 
my bike blows smoke on startup but goes away straight away.. smells like oil.. go figure all bikes from china are ****.

There he goes again, Franky spoils yet another post with nothing positive say!:mad:
 
I agree with franky. What , did I just say. No I don't agree with franky. But he has a point. And pj if franky deserves to go then so should you.
 
Listen to Harda Fasta, he knows what he's talking about, and everything he said was spot on as to why your bike does this. And if your valve were bent( i dought would happen unless your were running a big race cam) you have serious problems, possibly even destroying a motor. It either the valv seals hardening yp, and your engine burning the little bit of oil there, which is no big deal, or the bike needs possibly a hone and new rings, or maybe a even a piston if the piston to wall clearance is too much. Also, valve seal is absoluteltely essential to getting the most out of your motor.

Just remember that preventitive maintenance is key, especially with these chinatown bikes. Change the oil often, keep a nice clean and oiled air filter, and set the valve clearnce everynoce in a while, and youll get a ton of hours out of engine before even consideing a rebuild, or new engine.
 
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