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HI I HAVE A PROX 138cc THE REAR SUSPENSION IS GREAT FOR JUMPING BUT THE FORKS BOTTOM OUT ON THE BIG JUMPS.DO I PUT SOM PSI IN OR NOT. BIKE SHOPS SAY NO MATES SAY YES.?????????
 
hey change the internals to a higher weight spring and also change the oil in the forks too! :)
 
ok take it to the bike shop to be safe and get a full for rebuild (it's not that expensive) and tell then what you will be using them for and thy can build them to your standard!
 
Those forks are not open bath (hydralic) so rebuilding them is no as straight forward as you might think.

the USD forks on the AGB29's are designed to run air pressure in the lower chamber, this is what resists the bottoming.

Basically in a hydraulic fork, the top section of the fork is full of air and as the fork compresses, it compresses that air which resists bottoming and makes the fork more progressive.

the AGB29 forks do not work like this,
the top of the fork is basically just open and has a plunger shaft running down the middle, with a couple of weak springs on them. the plunger runs down into the bottom of the leg, where a sealed up cartridge is enclosed, which has the oil in it, the stanchions are not lubicated by the damping oil (so you need to lubricate the stanchions regular) when the damping cartridge is full of oil, it does not assist with spring action as it does not contain air, underneath the cartridge is a floating base, which underneath that is a air chamber. the more air in that chamber, the more the oil is compressed and the harder it is for the fork to reach full compression, the air pressure also assists the spring rate, and sag slightly.

To adjust the air pressure, you WILL NEED A PROPER SHOCK PUMP!!
Downhill mountain bike shops are more likely to stock a shock pump, these are around $50.00 and can pump up to 300psi, Specifically though they pump VERY SMALL Amounts of air each pump. the chamber under the fork leg is TINY, DO NOT USE A AIR COMPRESSOR!

As for how much air is safe to use, the forks do not work properly at all without air in that lower chamber, they will just continuously bottom out and be too slow to operate. They DO REQUIRE AIR IN THOSE CHAMBERS!!

Suggest start out with around 30-40psi in each leg, I have no idea how much air pressure these forks can take without that section of the fork failing. (nor can anyone anywhere tell me how much air is safe to use) from memory my forks had around 30psi from the factory. You may wish to use nitrogen this will compress less, and be less susceptible to heat than air, but much harder to obtain and continuously tweek.

Suggest you move slowly upwards until you reach the desired compression characteristics.
You should bottom out your forks on occasion anyway, on larger or bader landings, but for most of the time not jumping you should use 70-80% of your travel, and landing normal jumps around 90-95% of your travel.

it is possible to change the oil in those forks, but it's a nightmare I found at least, compared to regular hydraulic forks. but unless your AGB29 forks are alot different than the ones on both bike i have, you'll be wanting to opt for lighter oil, not harder, these forks have way too much rebound damping from factory.

Juls
 
thrash them till they break! then buy some good forks!

harder springs would help!
 
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The problem with air compressors is, they are not accurate enough to provide a reading on such a small volume of air, the other issue is they supply too much air too quickly.

in some cases you may overinflate the shock or fork, damaging it, other times you may not be able to get the right amount of air into the shock and with use the shock will be damaged. Generally you won't be able to put enough air into a shock with a air compressor, since shocks generally run on 50-200psi.
and forks 30-100psi. but it is in a TINY area. Not like a big tube which is massive by comparison.

For shock absorbers I definatly would advise against using a air compressor, the wrong amount of air can heavily damage them with use.

best leave them alone, hopefully you didn't let the air out,
the other issue is shocks normally have Nitrogen in them, you can use air, it's just not as consistant with heat, and compresses slightly different.

Juls
 
i was posting to show how silly some peolpe are! we all know that suspension is a finely tuned operation!

this guy went jumping relised his forks are crap! coz the whole bike costs $.25 to make. & then he did'nt want to do any work to get them working half decent Ie' new oil & harder springs...

so the only real option left is to not worry about the crappy forks & thrash the hell out of them. the AGB have a good frame & with some good parts it would be a wick-id bike who care's what it cost! if ya jumping ypou have to up grade parts or buy a bike with them already installed...

Buh!!!

P.s i killed your previous post buy mistake
 
best leave them alone, hopefully you didn't let the air out,
the other issue is shocks normally have Nitrogen in them, you can use air, it's just not as consistant with heat, and compresses slightly different.

Juls

Nah I didnt let the air out it just says on the shock to fill it with air every month. :confused:
 
does it say how much air too put in?
is it a air shock? or coil with air addition?

Juls
 
does it say how much air too put in?
is it a air shock? or coil with air addition?Juls

Saw you name pop up elsewhere juls and thought hmmm juls from farkin.net then the tech fork info and i think Juls from farkin even more lol Am i correct?
 
does it say how much air too put in?
is it a air shock? or coil with air addition?

Juls

Its coil with air addition and it says:

"please put 0.5MPa Nitrogen or compressed air into shock every other month"
 
Saw you name pop up elsewhere juls and thought hmmm juls from farkin.net then the tech fork info and i think Juls from farkin even more lol Am i correct?


Yeh thats me.. you worked it out.. doh.. LOL

:p

I want some marzocchis for my pitbike.. dam mtb's cost too much.. ehehehe
 
Its coil with air addition and it says:

"please put 0.5MPa Nitrogen or compressed air into shock every other month"

0.5MPa = 72PSI.

so i'd say 75psi should do it.

putting more in will make the shock more progressive/firmer, less bottoming out.

just be careful not to overdo it. like 10-15 psi will make a considerable difference.

Juls
 
Hey juls, what do u use to lubricate the slider rings between the stanchion and outer leg?

EDIT also do you know where I can get softer negative springs to be used in fastace as-02?
 
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I usually use a spray on silicon spray,
Idealy Silicon grease under the wiper seal would be perfect,
but it's near impossible to get in there (well I havn't really tried yet)
(and it's expensive)

Grease is better as it will retention better under the wipers and last longer,
and won't attract as much dirt as oil will.

Do not use Lithium Based Greases, like moly grease, these will eat your
wiper seals away (and any other rubber seals) destroying them over time.

Don't use "sticky" greases or oils.

You can just use fork oil, instead of silicon oil, but it's not as slippery and probably won't hang around as long.

Juls
 
Those forks are not open bath (hydralic) so rebuilding them is no as straight forward as you might think.

the USD forks on the AGB29's are designed to run air pressure in the lower chamber, this is what resists the bottoming.

Basically in a hydraulic fork, the top section of the fork is full of air and as the fork compresses, it compresses that air which resists bottoming and makes the fork more progressive.

the AGB29 forks do not work like this,
the top of the fork is basically just open and has a plunger shaft running down the middle, with a couple of weak springs on them. the plunger runs down into the bottom of the leg, where a sealed up cartridge is enclosed, which has the oil in it, the stanchions are not lubicated by the damping oil (so you need to lubricate the stanchions regular) when the damping cartridge is full of oil, it does not assist with spring action as it does not contain air, underneath the cartridge is a floating base, which underneath that is a air chamber. the more air in that chamber, the more the oil is compressed and the harder it is for the fork to reach full compression, the air pressure also assists the spring rate, and sag slightly.

To adjust the air pressure, you WILL NEED A PROPER SHOCK PUMP!!
Downhill mountain bike shops are more likely to stock a shock pump, these are around $50.00 and can pump up to 300psi, Specifically though they pump VERY SMALL Amounts of air each pump. the chamber under the fork leg is TINY, DO NOT USE A AIR COMPRESSOR!

As for how much air is safe to use, the forks do not work properly at all without air in that lower chamber, they will just continuously bottom out and be too slow to operate. They DO REQUIRE AIR IN THOSE CHAMBERS!!

Suggest start out with around 30-40psi in each leg, I have no idea how much air pressure these forks can take without that section of the fork failing. (nor can anyone anywhere tell me how much air is safe to use) from memory my forks had around 30psi from the factory. You may wish to use nitrogen this will compress less, and be less susceptible to heat than air, but much harder to obtain and continuously tweek.

Suggest you move slowly upwards until you reach the desired compression characteristics.
You should bottom out your forks on occasion anyway, on larger or bader landings, but for most of the time not jumping you should use 70-80% of your travel, and landing normal jumps around 90-95% of your travel.

it is possible to change the oil in those forks, but it's a nightmare I found at least, compared to regular hydraulic forks. but unless your AGB29 forks are alot different than the ones on both bike i have, you'll be wanting to opt for lighter oil, not harder, these forks have way too much rebound damping from factory.

Juls
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS RESPONCE.I AM GOING TO UPGRAGE FORKS LATER BUT FOR NOW I JUST WANTED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU POSTED THANKS..................
 
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