Importing. Privately, kinda..

[foolsp33d]

ok, so I can pick up a bike from the states cheap enough... And have the oportunity to put it into a container with an 18ft boat... now I understand im going to get stung on the customs for a full size bike, but would a 50 maybe possibly slipthrough as part of the boats "equipment"-no fees?

here is a snippet of the rules I found, and not being to good at the old maths thing, decided its probably easier to post it directly here and let you post up the sums as you all work them out... lets take a spending amount of $1500 aus.

VEHICLE ASSESSMENT SIGNATORY SCHEME
The Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) is a scheme for the certification of
modified, imported, and individually constructed vehicles in Victoria. Participants in VASS
are able to issue an Approval Certificate for registration purposes in Victoria.
To obtain an Approval Certificate you will need to engage the services of a VASS Signatory
authorised to certify the class of modification or vehicle for which you need the certificate.
A VASS Signatory who provides an Approval Certificate must:

Personally inspect the vehicle;

Ensure all work, including any modifications, are correctly carried out; and,

Certify that the vehicle complies with the applicable standards.
The VicRoads Copy of the Approval Certificate must be presented, together with the vehicle,
at a VicRoads Registration and Licensing Office for registration, or to have its description
changed. If the vehicle is to be registered, the usual supporting documentation will also need
to be supplied.
Note: VicRoads cannot accept an Approval Certificate more than 30 days after the date
of issue. However, this time period can be extended for modified Heavy Vehicles,
provided the vehicle has not travelled more than 1000 km after the certificate is
issued.
Valuing your vehicle for Customs purposes
The Customs value of imported private motor vehicles and motor cycles (whether new or used) is assessed in the following way:

The Transaction Value Method

The Customs value of new or second hand privately imported motor vehicles or motor cycles will ordinarily be calculated using the "transaction value" method. Under this method the Customs value is based on the "price actually paid or payable" for the vehicle or cycle in a bona fide sale where the price is not influenced by any other factor.

This method will be used where the importer can show that the vehicle or cycle was purchased to be exported to Australia. The transaction value method will not be used where there is insufficient or unreliable information regarding the purchase.

In determining the Customs Value, certain adjustments may be made to the price paid by the importer to have the vehicle or cycle brought to Australia (eg. the deduction of overseas freight and insurance).

Alternate Methods of Valuation

When the "transaction value" method cannot be used to determine Customs Value, the alternate methods of valuation, as set out in Section 159 of the Customs Act will be applied in sequential order.

Where the Fall-Back alternate method is used, Customs will usually accept as the basis for determining the Customs Value, the landed cost of the vehicle or cycle in Australia as assessed by a person qualified in valuing such vehicles and cycles. Customs may then make certain deductions to determine the Customs Value of the vehicle or cycle.

The valuation procedures outlined above are applied by Customs to privately imported motor vehicles and motor cycles purchased by the importer on or after 2 March 1998. The previous set of valuation guidelines used for motor vehicles and motor cycles purchased by the importer prior to 2 March 1998 are contained in the 'Guide to the Importation of Privately Owned Motor Vehicles and Motor Cycles' included below.

Conversion to Australian currency

The Customs value of your vehicle is calculated in Australian dollars. Where it is necessary to convert any prices, costs, etc. from a foreign currency to Australian dollars, the conversion will be based on that rate of exchange in effect in Australia on the date of exportation of your vehicle to Australia.

Guide to the Importation of Privately Owned Motor Vehicles or Motor Cycles(222KB)

Customs Valuation of Imported Goods Factsheet (42KB)


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Concessions for tourists and temporary residents
As a tourist or temporary resident, you may bring a motor vehicle or a motorcycle and attached trailer or a caravan to Australia for a period of up to 12 months (or longer under certain circumstances) without paying duty on them, provided they are subsequently exported from Australia.

For this concession to apply, you will need one of the following:

a Carnet De Passages en Douanes issued by an overseas organisation which has a reciprocal arrangement with the Australian Automobile Association, or
a cash or bank security, equal to the amount of duty and GST and, where applicable, LCT otherwise payable.
If your vehicle is stolen, damaged or destroyed whilst you are in Australia you should notify Customs as soon as possible at your original port of arrival.

All fittings and accessories imported with your motor vehicle, motorcycle, trailer or caravan must also be exported with that same vehicle.

more info can be found here:

importing a motor vehicle
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/r...-AE4F-EBEF87071A1D/0/VASSList17August2007.pdf

Maylands, hillz, anyone else deal with importers?

 

[Sidney]

why don't you part it out so they won't even know what it is lol

 

[ducar.r.spec]

if this bike has no compliance plate then u may get it thru really easy
if u dont mind me asking what bike r u importing?

 

[Suspect]

best bet is to call customs and be honest

I have called them for similar reasons and they are more than helpful

 

[Fabio]

pull it apart, so engine, frame etc is all seperate and ship with the boat and mark it as parts... thats what a mate of mine did when bringing a car over from the UK and by doing it that way he dodges ALOT of fee's and got it quicker... lol...

 

[coolmodee01]

i'm not sure if you will get a bike through without compliance
but from reading that speel you should be able to get the bike through fairly cheaply providing you have got ligitimate proof of sale and purchase price
so copy invoices and lots
duty on it shouldn't be that much
but you never know with customs
you should ring mojo or atomik and see how they get around it
i'll see if i can get more info from work tomorrow
we import all our bearings and pt products so this sort of info should be available
let ya know

 

[SnItChY]

yup id drop the thing in boxs and part it

but then again law is the law and it aint worth risk like sus said give em a call

 

[pickaninny]

Be honest. Tell customs what you are thinking about doing. If they find anything that should'nt be there you have a better chance of covering yourself. Just ask MSO about asbestos in muffler packing. I looked into it a few months ago(even got A.B.N. etc... problem was no guarantee that asbestos was not included) but I was gunna import from China. Your circumstances are different. Good Luck.

 

[sik-pj]

i got a 1995 rm125 from japan in a container. got a import aprovel for it the nxt week after i sent it away.

 

[foolsp33d]

ok breaking it down a little to give you some more info, but my boss' dad is bringing in used boats(mostl 18-20 footers.) the first shipment is of 10 and after that possibly another 10 per quarter(depending on how they sell)

Ultimately Im looking at getting a CRFM WRF or similar, but would prefer to purchase that new and in the country to avoid any hook ups/warranty etc, but at the same time, im really wanting another mini, and the crf's xr50's z's etc are cheap as chips O.S.. being small these bikes are often used on boats, caravans etc as a means of transport once docked. so it would almost make sense if one or two were part of a boats "package"...Right!?

Im not worried about trying to get any type of rego or compliance(asied from what is neccesarry)

Thanks for sharing your experiances, and please...keep them coming. There MAY be a possibility of getting your own space in a container

Foolsp33d

 

[pickaninny]

Logistics may make it hard but I'm looking at buying a FMF zorst offa faster-minis in Oregon. Where are you shipping out of? L.A?
Weight limits?
Customs charges etc...
Timeframe
Any help greatly appreciated

 

[foolsp33d]

weight limits? well considering there is 10 18 ft boats coming in, i dunno but i doubt there would be much limiting the weight of what I want....

Custom charges etc, are what im wondering on atm..gifts may get through without fees, while 2nd hand or new may obtain GST, LCT, import duties etc.

Timeframe: well its a GO with the boats, being containered probably 6 months+ for the first shipment to be in aussie waters/docked, so its not like a pay now get next week deal.. this is more of an early xmas present for myself for Next Year!!

Foolsp33d

 

[pickaninny]

WHAT?????? No next day delivery. Well I'm out then. Seriously tho how long does a slow boat from U.S take?
BTW what brand bike r u lookin at or r u gunna go secondhand?(plenty of wicked cheap blinged out minis 4 sale at planetminis)

 

[foolsp33d]

being containered probably 6 months+ for the first shipment

??

Seriously tho how long does a slow boat from U.S take?

Honestly, seriously, unfortunatly....You dont read the entire post....no more answers now

 

[pickaninny]

being containered probably 6 months+ for the first shipment to be in aussie waters/docked, so its not like a pay now get next week deal.. this is more of an early xmas present for myself for Next Year!!

Foolsp33d

Hey fool u never put in the info to begin with. WTF in english does being containered probably 6 months+ mean. 6 months+ is infinite twit. Do you know when this ***** due to arrive?
Seems minimal brain cells is needed to get along in here so i guess im out.
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