pugs i agree with u dude. 2 strokes r the ****. firstly u can only compare bikes if u have equally talented riders. a better rider will win on just about anything. top speed is irrelevant unless u r talking a big differerence which there wouldnt be with an 80 2 stroke vs 125 4 stroke. maintenance on a 2 stroke is cheap and easy and the 4 strokes we are dealing with are equally as high maintenance but it is more technical and expensive. Looking at what most people spend on here on their 4 strokes, they would save **** loads buying an 2002 yz 80 and racing it as is without having to replace everything the bike originally comes with ie suspension, irk, cdi`s, coils, big bore kits, oil coolers, handle bars etc. and i seen someone write that the 2 stroke 80`s arent 50`s... well neither is a 110, 125, 138 or 140 regardless of what the motor once was. also if u have ever ridden a larger bike u will know they feel much more stable with larger wheels especially at speed. pit bikes are definitely fun but if i want a thrill ride i`ll jump on my yz anyday