Bike CHOICE

[thump*140]

um... christ, where do you start trying to suggest something intelligent to someone...
K3pdmn.... You state you have ridden the thumpstar twice, and have never ridden a dirt bike before, a two stroke 250 mxer is NOT the bike for you... you may think you can handle the power, but trust me, you will NOT. i'm not bagging or flaming you, but trust me, a 2 stroke mx 250 is waaaay too much bike for a complete beginner. a bike weighing less the 100kg, and pumping out nearly 50hp will kill you, and you will learn nothing. It's not to say you suck, are a complete noob who has no right on a dirt bike, or anything like that...
look at it this way... Would you realistically suggest that a 16 year old kid who has just got his L's, to go out and buy a 500hp Nissan GT-R, HSV Clubsport or something equally as performance orientated, for their first vehicle...?? No.. if you made a responsible, logical suggestion, you would suggest they learn to drive in a low powered, easily handled 4 cylinder car... Why? because a highpowered weapon would be too much car, and detrimental to their health... Same goes for you hopping off a 125 thumpstar, onto a RM250.... straight line, yes, your thumpstar may feel a little underpowered... but i guarantee you arent using every ounce of it's power in every situation... the other thing is, they can be modified to be more powerful. EG: i own a 140cc fourstroke pitbike. it's highly modified, is dynoed at around 10hp at the tyre, and is an absolute handful to ride... At times, it is too powerful..
now before you tell me i must be bad rider, i've been riding for 27 years, and raced competitively at state level motocross for a few of them... So yes, i know how to ride.... And further, with all my years riding, my 400 and 450 YZF's, which are about the same performance wise as an RM250, are at times too powerful, and still manage to scare the bejesus out of me...
Buying such a high performance bike will be detrimental to not only your health, but you wont learn to ride it. It will be basically, too much bike, and will beat you up, and make you unhappy riding it, before you can learn to ride it properly. in other words you would be wasting your money... cause you'll end up with an expensive bike sitting in the shed you dont want to ride, cause it scares the **** out of you...
And before you say No i wont, i've seen it happen plenty of times with noobs... they decide they wanna ride dirt, and regardless of intelligent suggestions, they go out and buy a new 250 2 stroke, or 450 fourstroke. they ride it, poo their pants when it comes on the pipe, their skills dont improve, they get resentful towards it, and sell it...
so basically, your thread should have started as thus:
Hi! I've just started riding, and would like a bike slightly better suited to me than a 125 pitbike. I'm such and such tall, i weigh so much, and i am a novice rider. Can any of you suggest a suitable bike for me??
Then the more experienced and responsible of us senior members would probably say something along the lines of:
Try a Yamaha TTR250, Honda XR250, Kawasaki KLX250 or Honda CRF230. They are all strong reliable entry level bikes, that are still capable of reasonable performance. They are relatively cheap to buy, and hold a good resale value. For the new owner, their maintenance schedule is pretty forgiving, and they are simple bikes to ride, and will encourage you to learn riding skills much quicker than a higher performance bike... If you think a "basic" 250cc fourstroke trailbike is going to be too slow for you, do yourself a favour and look at the videos of my Blitz in action... this is a "cheap ******" chinese 4 stroke 250, generally regarded as a much lower standard bike than a TTR or XR... The vid is proof that these things can move quickly... a bikes speed, predominantly comes from the rider on it, not the amount of horsepower it puts out... IE: Me on my Blitz, will still whip you on an RM250, no matter what the track...
Mate i'm not trying to put you down, or anything like that. I'm trying to suggest the most logical and suitable bike for your age, size, experience and riding skill, and also a bike that will encourage you and allow your skills to improve... An RM250 IS NOT THE BIKE FOR YOU...
If you still dont really wanna listen, Then the "maximum" bike i would suggest for you, is possibly a two stroke 125 jap mxer, or *maybe* a bike like the Yamaha WRF250, which will still be more bike than you can handle. Again, not to say you are a crap rider, purely that you are inexperienced, by your own admission..
Now, if you still think you want a RM250 or R1, then i go back to my original statement, that you sir, may be a little bit full of ****....

 

[thump*140]

and yeh i understand the consequences of riding a fast motor bike, and i also hate when u see idiots in the news papers dying from motorbike crashes because of stupidity "but" im not saying that i will never do something im not supposed to do, and if i do i will still be cautious with what im doing. and lets face it i seriously doubt that you have never started you bike and gone up and down the street to test a new exhaust out or something....becides i never leave the house when riding my 125 without a helmet at the minimum and the thing isent fast.....iv lived with people that ride bikes my whole life and the storys you hear are not pritty and i am always remined what the dangers are

Yes we're all guilty of a quick squirt up the street illegally... however, a quick squirt is a little less serious than suiting up and taking a road bike out on the road when you arent licensed, and donning a helmet does not make it ok to take the thumpstar out for squirt through the local parklands, or cut a few hoops at the Kmart carpark...
Stupid is, as stupid does sir... perhaps listen to the people around you who feed you these horror stories about bikes, and learn from them, as opposed to the "it wont happen to me" mentality... Be aware of the dangers, but dont go out and put yourself on the line regardless of what you're told...
Sorry mate, but illegal riding isnt exactly encouraged on here, quite the opposite, as it kills our sport, shuts down our riding areas, and gives those of us obeying the laws a bad name... we need all the help we can get, not the bad press...

and tyd its in genaral chat its WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT ANY THING in general

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lol it's only in general, cause I-Thump moved it here... you posted it in minibike reviews.... lol.. pwned..

 

[user 12599]

wow.................

 

[sean01]

after reading wat riding experience you have id have to totally agree that a 2 stroke mx 250 is way too much for you to handle, and youll get to the stage where youll be too scared to ride it the way its suppose to be ridden.

my advise....go test ride a CRF150F or a CRF150RB...youll be surprised how much you will like it

 

[k3pdmn]

hahah friken thump had to mention that

seeeeeee now where getting somewhere....ok what u mentioed about the second time means nothing as i have have mentioned the same thing but in diffrent words..i am not incourage and have not mentioned it anywhere in my postes......soooo back to bikes 250cc 2 stroke bikes are 2 quick ayy...the thing im worred about is i get told its to fast and all that and 1 month later im sick of it i dont have the room for mistakes this time as im spending money and i will definatly not have 1 for atleast for another year sooo what if i do get the 250 and after a few months i get over the power huh im stuck with it for another 12 or more months.....i know i may not be experienced and have been told that a 250cc 2 stroke will be 2 power full but if i **** my self for a longer time i will be into it for longer....and i dought i will not ride it cause of to much power even though it proberbly will be

so im kinda in a sticky situation.....umm any 1 know if you can ride the 250 road bike at Fairbairn Park i cant find much info

and dont accuse me of thinking im a hard **** cause the most to date that i have spent on a steet is roughly 2 min and that was to test the clutch...soo dont call me **** if u dont know me..

soo thump gw and keep helping

 

[thump*140]

^^^^yaha... 250 2 strokes are bikes you build up, not something you just decide you are going to ride... unless you like the puckered feeling, and hospital bills.

 

[k3pdmn]

hahah...soz dident read what use said to me friken 10 min the type what i typed above...ok soo if 250 is out of the question what is the next above the 125 2 stoke or is it the 250??

 

[thump*140]

hahah friken thump had to mention that

seeeeeee now where getting somewhere....ok what u mentioed about the second time means nothing as i have have mentioned the same thing but in diffrent words..i am not incourage and have not mentioned it anywhere in my postes......soooo back to bikes 250cc 2 stroke bikes are 2 quick ayy...the thing im worred about is i get told its to fast and all that and 1 month later im sick of it i dont have the room for mistakes this time as im spending money and i will definatly not have 1 for atleast for another year sooo what if i do get the 250 and after a few months i get over the power huh im stuck with it for another 12 or more months.....i know i may not be experienced and have been told that a 250cc 2 stroke will be 2 power full but if i **** my self for a longer time i will be into it for longer....and i dought i will not ride it cause of to much power even though it proberbly will be

so im kinda in a sticky situation.....umm any 1 know if you can ride the 250 road bike at Fairbairn Park i cant find much info

and dont accuse me of thinking im a hard **** cause the most to date that i have spent on a steet is roughly 2 min and that was to test the clutch...soo dont call me **** if u dont know me..

soo thump gw and keep helping

ha ha, the "full of ****" comment was made tongue in cheek, if you decided to ignore sensible suggestions... oh, and dont use the C-Bomb on the forum, or i'll ban you..
Now, i'll say it again. i'll even put it in big bold letters.
A 250CC 2-STROKE IS TOO MUCH BIKE FOR A BEGINNER. YOU WILL LEARN NOTHING BY RIDING IT. IF YOU THINK YOU WILL GET BORED ON A 250CC TRAILBIKE, THEN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THEY ARE COMPETITIVE IN OFFROAD SITUATIONS????
Now, as i stated before, as your riding skills increase, you will be able to ride the bike faster and faster. if you say you will be able to replace it in a year, (i'd still like to know where a 15 year old kid gets a lazy 8K to buy a new dirtbike), then use the 250 traillie for a year to actually develop some riding skills, and THEN upgrade to a 250 2 stroke. I doubt you will learn enough in a year, to fully warrant a 250 2 stroke, but at least you wont kill yourself in the meantime....
Mate, we're not suggesting a bike like a 250cc traillie for the fun of it. we're suggesting it from experience, and the fact that older guys like myself, I-Thump and Sean01 may actually know what we're on about, and have been around the sport long enough to see what happens to beginners on high performance mxers, and how quickly they sell them once they either get scared, or get hurt...
You say if it scares you, you will like it more, and stick with it longer. Unless you are completely different to every other noob rider i've known, No, you wont... Trust me, if it's too much bike, and constantly scares you, hurts you, and limits your learning and skill development, you will hate it, and sell it...
If you really do have all this money, then buy a 250 traillie, or CRF150 like sean01 suggested, get some riding skills, learn how to ride and maintain a bike, save some cash in the meantime, when apparently in another year you will have another 8K to blow on a bike, and get an open class mxer then....

Now mate, if you still want to argue, or still believe that an RM250 or similar bike is for you, stop wasting the time in this thread... No one here is going to suggest you go out and get a bike that is completely unsuitable for you.... if you wanna listen, and discuss bikes that ARE actually suitable, by all means, continue this thread... If you arent going to listen, and still argue a 250 2 stroke is your russian roulette of choice, i'll delete the thread as being pointless...
at the end of the day, this is a forum about minibikes, not open class mx bikes for noobs...
Up to you buddy.. we're here to help, but only to those who want it, and those who listen.. if you think i'm up on my high horse, ask a few other members what bike you should get... i'm pretty sure they'll agree with me.
Othewise, we may just have to dub thee MV24 V2.0

 

[thump*140]

hahah...soz dident read what use said to me friken 10 min the type what i typed above...ok soo if 250 is out of the question what is the next above the 125 2 stoke or is it the 250??

ok, if you are still totally against a 250 trail bike, or a crf150, then the absolute maximum i would consider at your age and skill, would be a 125 two stroke...
Whilst they can be kinda forgiving, and not overly powerful, they can also be bloody fast in the right hands, and basically, the 125 two stroke is probably the best balance for learning to ride, and a bike that will encourage a steep learning curve as far as riding skill goes....
I really wouldnt consider a 250F, (fourstroke) as the cost and maintenance is probably not something a 15 year old can handle.. They arent cheap to maintain, and the maintenance is complicated..
If you really wanna bike that is both reasonably quick, but still allows you to learn without killing you, go no bigger than a 125 2 stroke mxer...
The Yamaha YZ125 is a great allrounder, and is probably the more popular of the 125's out there...
seriously mate, dont consider anything bigger, you will not be doing yourself a favour..

 

[k3pdmn]

jezzz i mentioned above that the 250 is out of the question....i would like the 125cc 2 stroke how quick would it be compared to the crf150?? if that is also 2 quick how quick is the crf150??

 

[k3pdmn]

lol was typing while u posted the messige above:again

so what is the rage of 125cc 2 stroke dirt bikes?

 

[user 12599]

125 to bannger will smash a 150f race bike the 85cc bet the 150f race bikes, the 125cc will be up there with the 250f

 

[k3pdmn]

lol ok well then i have have decided that i will get a 125 2-banger...but now which 1 soo sean and tump and mp guy give me suggestions..tump u mentioned the yz what are the other 1ns what are the quicker/slower and more reliable/non reliable 1ns??

 

[user 12599]

ahhh, mate all 125 2 bangger are pritty much same no big difference, manly your personal preference, that of course if there same model like a 1992 125 ant gonna keep up with a 08, unless its had work ect. thump only said yz cause he has a yzf, like im gunna say get a KX125 cause i rider a KXF250, my opinion, go have a ride on a couple and just see what you like best

 

[thump*140]

lol looks like there have been a few "crossed" posts here.. hopefully this one might tie in with the thread properly...
Ok, a CRF150r is about the same, maybe a tiny bit faster than an 85cc two stroke mx bike. they generate about 22 horsepower maximum..
A YZ125 will generate about 28 -30 hp, but will be more torquey than either a 150R or an 85cc 2 stroke. Theres no such thing as rule of thumb in regards to Top speed, as this all depends on gearing.. they can be geared to do over 150kph however.. average would be about 100...
A 250 Fourstroke mxer will generate about 30-35 hp, but will be MUCH torquier than any of the above bikes, and be much more powerful overall...
As far as the 125 two stroke range goes, there is the Yamaha YZ, Honda CR, Suzuki RM, Kawasaki KX, Husqvarna 125CR, and the KTM 125SX. There are other european brands, but generally they're obscure, and not worth considering..
Others will disagree, but i would consider the YZ as the pick of the bunch, followed by the RM, which is a vastly underrated 125... The YZ is probably the best allrounder, has the easiest maintenance program, and if its an earlier model you are looking at, ie early to mid 00's, it's probably the most consistent of the bunch. Others may suggest the CR, but the experiences i've had with CR 125's, has resulted in a fragile bike, with a hefty maintenance program, BUT THAT IS ONLY MY EXPERIENCE...
If you really want something that also has the option of being registered for the road, you can also consider the KTM125EXC, or the Husky WR125... not sure about the late model huskies, but they are both registerable, and offer very similar performance to their MX only cousins... They arent the best bikes for road use, but they CAN be registered and ridden on the road legally come time for you to get your license..
Hope that all helps mate.

 

[thump*140]

actually miflboy, i suggested the YZ based on experience, not the fact i own a YZF. if it was becuase i own a YZF, i would have suggested a YZF.. lol..
I also suggested the RM, as i've found that to be a pretty impressive bike to ride...
having ridden most of the 125's offered over the last decade, the yamaha and the suzook have always stood out for me, both for their capabilities, reliability, and performance...
But yes, you make a good point that one particular bike suits everyone, and yes, he should test ride anything he can get his hands on.

 

[user 12599]

once again... well said thump, and yerr i do agree on what you have had to say,and probably have had more experience than most people.. and alot more than me for sure, soo mate def have a read on what thump said cause he knows his ****,

 

[k3pdmn]

yes it does indeed thanks alot mate appreciate it

soo when powerband ingages is it like drag you back speed or soo much power wheele speed?

if that makes any sence

umm and when it comes to piston ring changes and all that how long between changes? lets say i just bought it how long befor i have to change the rings?

 

[user 12599]

yer power band is sicc, and if ya not carefull will chuck ya off the back but dont be scared of it give it all its got, and i ride my 85 for a yr with out no work except a oil change here and there, and still goes good tho prob needs new rings, depends on how much you ride it and how hard you do.

 

[k3pdmn]

oo lol thats not bad considering its a 2 stroke

and do yous know how much they cost?