Not for the weak - motorcycles are dangerous!

[Ruby]

It's his road bike its a Suzuki TLR and I think it's 998cc

The Suzuki TLR was produced from 1998-2002. The Hayabusa GSXR1300 bodywork was based on the TLR, looking like a muscle bike. However, the TL1000R is a 998cc big bore v-twin that puts out mountains of torque. Good for burnouts. It runs two pipes up to the tail, sounds thumpy and is definately a unique bike.

The engine was so good it is still used today by Cagiva, the SV1000 and some Suzuki motard version (DV1000?). But the engine has been tuned down over the years due to it being known as a "widow maker" (because stupid bike journos rode them ham-fisted, idiots) and power went down from 119rwhp to about 107rwhp by 2002. So the 1998 models are popular. My TLR puts out 125 genuine rwhp. TLRs are becoming a cult bike (like the Z900) and do not lose value as much as a GSXR. The 1998 TLR is worth $13K (an average TLR is around $11K) and the 2002 GSXR is worth $7,500. So you can see what bike I would keep.

There was a sticker I saw a while ago I should get for the TLR: "If you value your life like I value my bike, then don't **** with it!" LOL

 

[pascal125]

LOL perfect prezzy for dad, he would murder somebody seen hurting his precious r1. he gets chased a bit when he hits a car mirror, a porsche once chased him, he just laughed LOL.
to be honest i have always hated the look of the back and front of the huyabusa, the back is hideous and the front is too wide, but hey, that;s just my opinion, don't get offended..i saw a 600hp busa in a bike mag, the swingarm and back half of the bike was extended, maybe 2 or 3 times normal and it was an ugly ****, LOL. he had spend like over 100k on it and its a 19k bike..LOL. how long have u had ur bike for? dad got a new r1 about 2+ months ago and will probably trade it in 2010 or 2011, once he gets 20,000 ks he always trades in, cos with 20,000k's it might be worth 12k, with 22 or more it might be worth under 10...
did u get ur bike customly painted?
cheers

 

[yelloww proX]

pascal u now have told us about the porsche thing 2 times

 

[Sidney]

20 000 k's actually isn;t that far.

cars go to like 400 000 lol

 

[yelloww proX]

thats like saying bmx's only do 500kms there to dif things so they would of done more i donno anything bout road bikes but it sounds like alot:S

 

[Ruby]

I like ordinary Hayabusas. Those custom jobs just make them look awful. Even a stock Busa has been called "fat", but I like to think the bodywork is more muscle. How can you insult a bike that is blindingly quick in stock form? LOL

The TLR has a custom paint job. Its now a Rizla Suzuki replica.

To answer the above questions: Bikes lose value quicker than cars per 1,000kms travelled. This is because bikes are outlaws anyway and worthless LOL Seriously, bikes are high revving machines and engine wear reduces a bikes life. Cars redline around 6,500rpm and cruise around 2,000-2,500rpm. Bikes redline around 15,000rpm depending on the bike, and cruise around 4,000rpm. Bikes also have more gears and get "thrashed" more, so their life is nowhere near a cars in maintenance, engine rebuild, and replacement. Motorcycle engines have to put up with higher stress than a car engine. And I'm talking about vehicles off the showroom floor. I'm not talking about Top Fuel cars or custom race cars. Thats a whole new ball game.

 

[Ruby]

This one is shocking - not kid safe

This one shows a rider at a track low siding. He is able to crawl off the track to safety, which is more than I can say for the marshalls who ran out onto the track ...

YouTube - motorcycle accident

This is why we have rules at the MotoGP. For their safety and ours!

 

[Sidney]

That's kiddy safe.

But damn it would hurt.

 

[Ruby]

Its not kiddy safe when one of the marshalls was killed. It doesn't look like much from the angle, but those bikes are moving at about 100kph still.

This is why there is a yellow flag and a red flag. Rider and bike down but off the track = yellow flag (slow down and use caution). Rider and/or bike down on the track = red flag (slow down immediately and pit in).

The flag marshalls should have done their job, one of their own was killed thru stupidity. And the first guy who crashed (who's bike the marshalls were trying to recover) had borken his leg, but still 'ran' (limped) back out there to see who was still alive.

 

[pascal125]

OMG!! that looks painful!! LOL, what was that a part of the guys body i could see there!??? OUCH.
RUBY yeh busa's have the top speed of any bike but in acceleration, r1, how fast exactly does the busa get?? the r1 will get..over 300 i think but not too much more than 300...yeh, the new one reaches 18 or 19 thousand RPM!

SID yeh it isn't much, but that is when they need work getting done and is the best time to trade them in, after 4 years the new model is much faster anyway so he would wonna get it, during Wintr when it rains he doesn't ride for safety, once went down over a wet tram track, wasn't raining anymore and just damp, gave it a little throttle over a track and from what i heard i think the wheel spun and the bike hit the ground...

Yellow ProX Yeh ur right, most cars do over 200,000 k's, sid car's will be dead anywhere near 400,000 k's! LOL, taxis get diven to hell so dad says never ever buy a 2nd hand taxi no matter how cheap it is cos it is driven 24/7 often hard, and everything is worn, cos they pick up so many people the hinges are worn etc. but yeh, im not sure how many k's a bike will do as dad gets rid of it at 20,000 but i would imagine it would have to be atleast 100,000 ruby, ur a bit of an expert..how many k's u reckon??
what model is ur bike ruby??

NOTE TO SELF: don't run in the middle of a moto GP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

 

[Ruby]

Generally start to keep away from buying cars over 250,000kms and bikes at over 100,000kms. The engines are usually dying or are so worn (even after a rebuild) that they'd be lucky to make half the HP they use to.

Bikes with over 50,000kms on the clock usually develop minor problems and need money spent to get more life out of them. Same with cars when they run past 150,000kms. Although technology is getting better and better.

The TLR has 42,000kms at the moment and it will get a full engine rebuild, Wiseco pistons, Carillo rods, head work and made bulletproof when it reaches 50,000kms. The GSXR race bike is at 22,000kms (800kms of that on track) and will be sold off by the end of the year and replaced with a 2006 CBR600RR race bike. hehe

 

[pascal125]

The TLR has 42,000kms at the moment and it will get a full engine rebuild, Wiseco pistons, Carillo rods, head work and made bulletproof when it reaches 50,000kms. The GSXR race bike is at 22,000kms (800kms of that on track) and will be sold off by the end of the year and replaced with a 2006 CBR600RR race bike. hehe

yeh, that's why he gets rid of it, after 20,000 k's it starts to need maintenance, but while he has the r1, he like takes it in for 1 service and gets the oil changed.....his last r1, the front tyre was literally bald, lol. he avoided riding it until he got his next pay to get the '07 model.
is that rebuild gonne cost u ruby?? LOL

 

[Ruby]

Wiseco pistons about $600
Carillo rods about $800
Head porting and cleaning the ports about $400
Vee Two don't do cams for the TLR no more and Yosh cams are way too expensive, so ...
Regrind cams (or whatever may turn up on the US ebay) $250-$500

Along with the usual engine replacement parts, that should get the TLR a result of around 135rwhp and massive torque. That extra 10rwhp will be very noticeable!

After the work is done, I'll strongly consider selling the GSXR race bike and enter the TLR into the v-twin/thumper class of racing. It'll be slower than the GSXR on track, but it'll be more fun



The TLR is having a few small electrical issues at the moment. I'll have the sparky look at it in the next couple of weeks. But apart from that the sensors have been replaced one at a time, bearings are getting replaced with the tyre change, new chain and sprockets coming.

 

[pascal125]

in other wods....ALOT, LOL
see that's why he gets rid of his a 20,000 k's!! LOL
plus, if hestill had his '03, the new ones would own it, since then it has been improved by about 50hp!! he reckons the new one rides like a race bike and he partly gets annoyed, he has to rev to 5,000 at the lights and slip the clutch to really get mving as it moves like a 2 stroke. LOL.

 

[Ruby]

The problem is that R1s ... and CBRs and GSXRs and ZXRs ... are all too common. The TLR is different and not a sight seen on the road all the time, so its a bike worth holding onto for a long time.

 

[pascal125]

r1's are faster! LOL
but anyway, he just buys a new one, rides it and then about 3 or 4 years later trades it in, luckily it only devaluates approx. 2k per year!!! cars after 4 year, u would be lucky to get 1/2 what you pay.

 

[samtheman]

the second vid

man how was the second vid how close was that second bike to smashing him he just ducks it thats gotta suck

 

[Ruby]

r1's are faster! LOL

Depends upon the rider. I had a 2002 R1 before the TLR and I disliked alot about it, and it was slower in a straight line in performance standards. Even at the drags, the TLR was running 11.03s and the R1s at 10.8 or 10.7. Now considering that they make 40hp more than the TLR and weigh 30kg less, 0.2 to 0.3 seconds is rubbish. The riders are struggling to keep the front wheel down.

On paper, these new sports machines are supposed to be quicker, but in reality we must talk about "useable power". All of what the TLR delivers is useable power, I can't say the same for the newer bikes. It all comes down to setup too. I've had the TLR for over 4 years and I've tweaked it to how I like it and its very responsive. My mates on their fresh-off-the-showroom-floor bullet machines still can't beat me off at the lights.

Note: the comparison does not include front end straps or extended swingarms or wheelie bars. So it really is not much difference in time between a 9 year old TLR and modern R1 or CBR or GSXR. The manufacturers are making these machines more powerful, but we can't use it anymore.

 

[bigkylez]

the tlr a classic machine