Did you get ripped off

[Dreadful]

Went and joined pm and read the thread ....now it won't let me access ... says it's private ... the entire forums .... man I didn't even get a chance to post .

 

[foolsp33d]

^^ lol, ditto here dread.. guess we just get censored to eh!

 

[sean01]

so it seems there blocking the mods from here to be able to post....

 

[Dreadful]

yeah what a joke hey ... must be scared of our gigantic intellects huh Speed ?

 

[pbk]

yer i can still get on....

dont worry dready you will be filled in on it all

 

[Dreadful]

yer i can still get on....

dont worry dready you will be filled in on it all

Cheers mate ... but you know me I like to have my say as well

 

[pbk]

ok what do you want to say and i will say its from you

 

[Dreadful]

naaa mate they'll just ban you .... it just annoys me a little but I'll get over it .... cheers for the thought though mate

if I wanna reply I'll start an account on my mates lappy

 

[thump*140]

I tried to post this on MR, but wasnt allowed to...

i'm just curious to know when pitster are actually going to answer the queries people are having as to censorship on here of "unpopularly" directed threads that have "Pitster Pro" written in there somewhere...

Or perhaps an explanation for the price offered to a private purchaser is less than what a company's own dealers pay, for the same product?

Or even an attempt at rectifying the poorly designed rear hub/sprocket assembly and fixtures used?



Now perhaps it's just me living in an "Intellectual backwater Penal Colony", and not reading between the lines, or perhaps the above queries have been dodged altogether...



So, Mr Pitster, Sir... I invite thee to explain...



1: why is it that "unpopular" posts or threads of a negative nature are quick to disappear from Planet Mini's forums???? (Dont say they arent, we've had fellow MiniRiders members threads on this exact subject, deleted from public view on PM)



2: How is it successful business practice to Liberace your own dealers, by underselling them? now surely a bike sold by you, to a dealer, at a higher price, would net you a greater profit than selling a bike to a private customer out your back door at a cheaper price than what you charge your dealers?



3: Why are threads mentioning the rear hub/sprockets deleted, instead of information being gleamed from those experiencing the problem, and a solution found?

Now with the grand'ole US of A being litigation central, how well do you think it will fare in a claims court, when a customer is seriously injured when their hub collapses, and it's found in a court, (which from what my american friends tell me, would be highly likely, given that litigation is a legitimate form of making an income over there) that Pitster Pro USA is aware of the problem, and has effectively brushed it under the carpet...

Bad Press and all that...

Dunno how it works in the States, but over here, if a company is selling a faulty or poorly designed product, they'll get far more respect and support by investigating and rectifying the issue, instead of saying "Nup, remote cases, no one else has had that problem, there is no problem, lets just delete the threads instead"...



Yes, you may argue at the end of the day, it's a china bike, inherit problems are to be expected... but then the Pitster Pro's are meant to be high end items... not a $300 TDR or Atomik... me personally, being a "back shed idiot" and all that, i'd have stipulated in the design of the bike, something like the bolts required to restrain the sprocket to the hub, were of matching diameters in bolt width, and sprocket hole diameter... Or even using countersunk bolts of matching diameters... who knows, might stop those hubs collapsing... might even save an expensive civil suit...



Feel free to dodge the above post and questions...



hmm... didnt know Atomik Motorsports had cousins in the states...

 

[Dreadful]

Wow couldn't have put it better Thump well said

 

[DvDRip]

hmm... didnt know Atomik Motorsports had cousins in the states...

Ahahahaha tops it off nicely

 

[Dreadful]

yeah was sayin earlier how it's funny how the one with the biggest share is the greediest

 

[I_THUMP]

Well after seeing all this sh!t going on and hearing that our mods from this site were being blocked from reading anything on PM I decided to sign myself up to see what happens. Strangely enough it appears they wont allow me to view their site either. Ha ha ha I guess its not worth viewing anyway.

 

[Truth]

Thank you all so much... and welcome to my world LOL

Like I said from the start, lies and cover ups

 

[The_GDFP]

Well, I buggered the copy & paste, but now PP-US's heavy, Mattified "The (con) Artist Formerly Known As NCC" is on the thread, making the world safe for Gary.

I'm guessing that we'll have a lock down, shortly.

 

[Truth]

Since it's come up a few times, I've been riding for 25 years and only raced a couple of times more than 13-14 years ago. What could I put in a racer app? 2 maybe 3 dead last finishes and a dnf (had to leave in a ambulance) LOL


My dad and little brother raced, I'd rather have fun. I was the pit crew at races!

 

[bulldog93]

Update For you lot;

Wow... just F'ing WOW! Why do people expend so much energy tearing people apart?

I'm 40 minutes from Pitster, go there and buy my bikes direct. I'm a PP parts Dealer but dont list any of the stuff for sale. I sat down and talked to Gary about it, we are internet only and trackside vending. We dont have a building yet but it's in the works. After I explained that to Gary he told me that he would not allow me to sell complete bikes and the reason was to protect his established Dealers. When I have a building and want to stock some bikes he said I'm good to go.

I've bought 4 bikes and countless parts and engines in the last year or so from him for our personal use and always had good experiences. The guys down there have been for the most part excellent to deal with. I've had a couple of issues and they were dealt with quickly. More than I can say for my 08 CBR1000R that burns a quart of oil every 500 miles since the day it was new but Honda says nothing is wrong.

I dont know what my point is other than Pitster protected it's Dealers in my case and I have been extremely happy with all of the bikes and parts I've bought from them. Thanks to the guys today for helping me on the Tech stuff too even though I didnt buy the parts from them.

Trackstar, Im confused...how can u call yourself a dealer, and then say PP won't sell to you as a dealer cause you have no building?

Sounds like what harley did to the little guys to me "not enuf showroom floor" as in square feet

just asking. GO RCM

I guess I'm just confused, so tell me if I'm wrong please.

I can get a PP bike cheaper if I call PP and buy a bike directly. then if I called a PP vender that's closer to me?

Well why wouldn't I

If the closes store to you is more then 100 miles away you can...

Originally Posted by Pitster
We are not some guy working out of a house trying to make a few quick bucks, or some guy doing this on "the side" like some many!!

Gary, your best dealer did this out of his garage and has done nothing but help people out. Hes the kind of guy you want on your side. Not a member of the Heman Pitster Haters Club.

Originally Posted by bulldog93
You can justify and proudly say that you've gotten rid of the dropship dealers so you can give your stocking dalers a chance, but how do you explain selling a bike 100.00 less then dealer cost to the guy truth (keele81)?

is there a answer to this? just curiouse.

Originally Posted by Staggs Racing
is there a answer to this? just curiouse.

Still waiting on my air filter I ordered in Nov 09'. You ship it yet?

The answer is,,

Factories try to expand business all the time through promotional discounts.

If Pitster wants to try and build the brand outside of a dealers area by supporting a racer with a huge reduction in price , it has the right to do so.

Pitster has even given Free bikes to people all over the country to promote the brand.

Originally Posted by chuckklr04
Still waiting on my air filter I ordered in Nov 09'. You ship it yet?

per our last email the order wasn't processed correctly with paypal and we never recieved the order and you wanted a refund, which was refunded via paypal last month. We have had the paypal issue corrected with the site and there are no more issues. I am more then happy to log into paypal and email you the copy of the payment sent. PM me your email address or email it and I will get a copy over to you.

Originally Posted by Matified
The answer is,,
Factories try to expand business all the time through promotional discounts.
If Pitster wants to try and build the brand outside of a dealers area by supporting a racer with a huge reduction in price , it has the right to do so.

Pitster has even given free bikes to people all over the country to promote the brand.

But this customer who is banned from PM and can't respond was not a racer or trying to get sponsorship?

Originally Posted by Staggs Racing
But this customer who is banned from PM and can't respond was not a racer or trying to get sponsorship?

what is the difference, racer / rider, again, If Pitster wants the bikes in a non dealer territory, it can do so.

If people are riding Pitsters anywhere it creates intrest and more people will want them, promotion on the most basic level.

Originally Posted by Staggs Racing
per our last email the order wasn't processed correctly with paypal and we never recieved the order and you wanted a refund, which was refunded via paypal last month. We have had the paypal issue corrected with the site and there are no more issues. I am more then happy to log into paypal and email you the copy of the payment sent. PM me your email address or email it and I will get a copy over to you.

Just checked my Paypal received my refund a minute ago, Thanks.......

Originally Posted by chuckklr04
Just checked my Paypal received my refund a minute ago, Thanks.......

yes I sent you a pm. Here I will copy it on here for you. Since it was past 30 days I couldn't refund it and had to send it to you.

your pm is below

REFUND

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

actually I am sorry I just logged in and it said still pending, I checked the info and I made a typo on your email address you should see the refund now.

I believe Pitster has the right to do as they please, but why have a dealer network if your going to undercut the dealer? The dealer cant match the price youve given someone due to it being 100 bucks less then what they pay.

I have a question. So do Australians really eat vegemite sandwiches? (It's a little off topic, I know) But I really don't know any other forums with Aussie members.

Originally Posted by icm856
I have a question. So do Australians really eat vegemite sandwiches? (It's a little off topic, I know) But I really don't know any other forums with Aussie members.

go to

miniriders.com.au

and ask them..lol

I have no PP dealer with in a 100 miles of me so where do I get my hook up???

Originally Posted by icm856
I have a question. So do Australians really eat vegemite sandwiches? (It's a little off topic, I know) But I really don't know any other forums with Aussie members.

ya they do and they are soooo much tougher because they play football without pads...

Originally Posted by Matified
The answer is,,
Factories try to expand business all the time through promotional discounts.
If Pitster wants to try and build the brand outside of a dealers area by supporting a racer with a huge reduction in price , it has the right to do so.

Pitster has even given Free bikes to people all over the country to promote the brand.

wrong thing to say... when you have people trying to buy your bikes....

gives them incentive to ask for it for free.....

you make it sound like hundreds of bikes have been given....? huh, business must be GOOD!!!

Originally Posted by Matified
what is the difference, racer / rider, again, If Pitster wants the bikes in a non dealer territory, it can do so.
If people are riding Pitsters anywhere it creates intrest and more people will want them, promotion on the most basic level.

Matt statements like this is what keeps this going. I had decided that I was not going to get into it but this is BS and you know it. I personally spoke with Gary about this a few times over the last few years ask him. Just admit that at least is was a bad business decision and others might let it go if you continue to beat the drum people will answer

Originally Posted by Matified
The answer is,,
Factories try to expand business all the time through promotional discounts.
If Pitster wants to try and build the brand outside of a dealers area by supporting a racer with a huge reduction in price , it has the right to do so.
Pitster has even given Free bikes to people all over the country to promote the brand.

"I don't agree with the way Gary does business, but he signs my paycheck" was the way you described it, back when we were pals Top Notch Company Man.

LEGITIMATE factories offer the incentives through the dealer network, not up their hind-quarters. Give Bill Ford a call and see if he'll hook you up on a F150. Well within his right, right?

 

[bulldog93]

Originally Posted by firepower354
"I don't agree with the way Gary does business, but he signs my paycheck" was the way you described it, back when we were pals Top Notch Company Man.

LEGITIMATE factories offer the incentives through the dealer network, not up their hind-quarters. Give Bill Ford a call and see if he'll hook you up on a F150. Well within his right, right?

Do not put words in my mouth, I said at times I do not agree with everything he does, as anyone that works for anyone.

But for the most part , all is good.

Originally Posted by Matified
Do not put words in my mouth, I said at times I do not agree with everything he does, as anyone that works for anyone.

Good call, on the edit...

whats a hundred bucks buy now a days anyyyyways!

go saints thats where weezy f. crazy if from my boi

whats a hundred bucks buy now a days anyyyyways!

go saints thats where weezy f. crazy if from my boi

Originally Posted by SCHMEEL
Trackstar, Im confused...how can u call yourself a dealer, and then say PP won't sell to you as a dealer cause you have no building?
Sounds like what harley did to the little guys to me "not enuf showroom floor" as in square feet

just asking. GO RCM

Your confused because you lack reading comprehension skills. Read the post again... I am a PP PARTS DEALER not a bike dealer. I dont put the parts up on my site because there are plenty of Internet Dealers around, my market is my local guys and the SM racers and they know I can get them what they need. My pitbike market is 2% of my business, our main customers are road racers.

Most manu's and Distributors anymore wont sell to guys without a shop or storefront. Thats the way it is these days, has nothing to do with what Harley did or Honda does about sq feet of showrroom.

Hey Mati.... wheres my free bike!

I'm just reading this as someone rather new into minis...have always ridden big bikes.

I just don't understand the resolution here. So far Pitster said they were 'tricked' buy someone who wasn't even a real customer and then matified said they can 'sponsor' anyone they want. That all adds up to BS in my eyes anyway. The emails don't say anything about racing/sponsorship, just sounded like someone looking to flat out buy a bike.

In short, I think it would really help Pitster if they gave a real rebuttal and then that would make new customers and repeat customers alike more comfortable paying for their product. I guess at this point as a customer I am glad I looked elsewhere for bikes.

If any MOD wants there say just PM me or post it up and I'll quote it. They can't ban somebody for quoteing somebody that isn't allowed to view the site.

 

[Truth]

Thanks for the update!

Thank you all for letting me post here! This would have all been swept under the rug if not for you guys giving me a chance. Thank you all very much.

Good call on the quotes, alot harder to hide behind the edit button that way.

 

[SnItChY]

Very interesting reading tho